stage6 rear suspension
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Sonic-speed
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Sonic-speed
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Go read this for instance:
I'm the Dutch testdriver for stage6 and i can tell you that stage6 did take part in developing this shocker. Ofcourse the basics are the same, but stage6 did change some of the settings/products that are used in the shocker so it's specialy customaded voor racing with scooters. That's why they wanted to have feed back from the testdrivers so they can change things that aren't good before they will put it for sale.
I can tell you that the stage6 shocker passes the RS24/10 by far if we talk about the price/quality difference. it's a real good shocker for racing use, maybe a little to stiff for the streets.
I have a Malossi RS24/10 set either, the rear suspension costs about 500 to 600 euro. I brought it to a specialist, he said it was crap so he assembled a progressive spring and changed some settings(that costed me 100euro extra). So for 600 to 700 euro total the RS24/10 was becoming a better rear shocker. I compared it the two shockers on the same track, and now the malossi RS24/10 fine tuned was as good as the stage6 shocker coming out of the box.
So...if you ask me...when you buy the stage6 shocker for 370 euro you will have a better shocker for almost the half of the money.
I'm the Dutch testdriver for stage6 and i can tell you that stage6 did take part in developing this shocker. Ofcourse the basics are the same, but stage6 did change some of the settings/products that are used in the shocker so it's specialy customaded voor racing with scooters. That's why they wanted to have feed back from the testdrivers so they can change things that aren't good before they will put it for sale.
I can tell you that the stage6 shocker passes the RS24/10 by far if we talk about the price/quality difference. it's a real good shocker for racing use, maybe a little to stiff for the streets.
I have a Malossi RS24/10 set either, the rear suspension costs about 500 to 600 euro. I brought it to a specialist, he said it was crap so he assembled a progressive spring and changed some settings(that costed me 100euro extra). So for 600 to 700 euro total the RS24/10 was becoming a better rear shocker. I compared it the two shockers on the same track, and now the malossi RS24/10 fine tuned was as good as the stage6 shocker coming out of the box.
So...if you ask me...when you buy the stage6 shocker for 370 euro you will have a better shocker for almost the half of the money.
I am happy for you to believe that stage 6 get the shock then pull it apart and rechange the valving thus voiding the warranty before they sell it to you
I believe they get the shock with the stage 6 logo on it and sell it straight to you at a much increased price
Just because some one writes they test rode it and changed the settings doesnt mean squat
I have test ridden it as well and played with dampening adjustment as well
Im not so sure why you are so keen to make people believe its not the same
ethier you have brought some stage 6 shocks and feel upset about it or you have a vested interst in trying to let stage 6 keep there price up there for some reason
I believe they get the shock with the stage 6 logo on it and sell it straight to you at a much increased price
Just because some one writes they test rode it and changed the settings doesnt mean squat
I have test ridden it as well and played with dampening adjustment as well
Im not so sure why you are so keen to make people believe its not the same
ethier you have brought some stage 6 shocks and feel upset about it or you have a vested interst in trying to let stage 6 keep there price up there for some reason
Let me put it this way
People that are saying they are not the same
Do you guys understnad how a shock works
Its there to dampen the occilations caused by the wheels going up and down
Well this shock has high and low speed dampening you can easily go from not enough to to much
It has ride stiffness adjustment as well as ride height
It has two sets of springs to let you dial it in
Now tell me what stage6 could have changed, the adjustment screws?? the colour?? the name on the side maybe??
People that are saying they are not the same
Do you guys understnad how a shock works
Its there to dampen the occilations caused by the wheels going up and down
Well this shock has high and low speed dampening you can easily go from not enough to to much
It has ride stiffness adjustment as well as ride height
It has two sets of springs to let you dial it in
Now tell me what stage6 could have changed, the adjustment screws?? the colour?? the name on the side maybe??
Sonic-speed
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Come on, please don't pretend to be smart. I havent bought any s6 shock, i stay tuned with my rs24. I just refelct what the fact. How can you be that sure, that they havent modified it? i mean, severel people has tested it themselves, in order give feedback on what would make it perfect for small tracks. Beside that i have severel times been seeing qoutes on SA (scooterattack) from officials talking about the exact same.
Sonic-speed
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Evene though rs24-rs24-10 has the preload/rebound and compression (in case of 2410), its not realy funktion in that way in real life. The gab between the adjustments, the oil compression etc. just isnt the same on every shock. You will be told just the same if you go to a shock specialist, its actually some pretty weak shocks (but of course we should not overkill parts only made for racingsccooters).
Im sorry mate have a look at www.waxracing.com this is my website
Not only do i have my advanced trade in automotive , i then became automotive tutor
I used to teach this shock specialist all about suspension and wheel alignment
I also have a back ground in motorsport building race engines as well as been involved with a raliart race team back in new zealand as well as 4 seasons in formula ford
As well as numerous years in karting , not that karts have shocks but they use there frame as suspension
So you can understand i have done plenty of shock/suspension tunning
Im happy with my cheap twainese shocks
Im sure every one else will enjoy there stage6 shocks and be confident in the fact that they have brought a shock that has been tuned to perfection for there application
Sonic-speed
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Why not make sure weather its modified or not? i mean, it's not a problem to ask the s6 crew about WHAT they modofied to be exact. And about the fact that your rpm suspension has preload/rebound and compressions, and therefore should be ideal to the s6 one, is not a very good arguement. For instance, in the world of super gp suspensions for motorbikes, the overall funktions (pre-rebound/compression/high adjustments) are the same, but the way that they perform is way different. Let me give you an example, öhlins is a pretty well known manufactury, but they dont have any innovative funktions compared to any other. But the way the springs perform to the adjustment, is the thing that make them so famous, beside the italien quality. In 5 min. i will go to scootertuning.de and ask officials from the s6 cre about what they costomized about the rpm spring.
Ask the stage6 guys what they changed
If they tell you they went for a lighter spring then that will be the 160lb spring that came with the shock as a spare as well
but i bet they come baxk with update valving , ask them when they change it after rpm make the shocks for them or do they get rpm to change it for them before they deliver
If they tell you they went for a lighter spring then that will be the 160lb spring that came with the shock as a spare as well
but i bet they come baxk with update valving , ask them when they change it after rpm make the shocks for them or do they get rpm to change it for them before they deliver
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Sonic-speed
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Okay, but if RPM make the modofication, or the s6 team do, wont realy make a big difference. As long that the s6 has figgured aout what modofications needed.
But i've just giving them an question:
First of all, i post this here in this section, and not the english one, because i realy want some detailed info about the S6 RT H/L suspension.
As many people now, the s6 company buy products from a manufactory called RPM in Taiwan (Therefore they keep the prizes low, and the quality high). But about the S6 RT H/L suspension, its said that both people in Holland and italien took part in the development of the shock. But can someone say for sure what they changed about the suspension? which make it different from the RPM H/L suspension, which also have the preload/rebound and H/L funktions.
And remember, i don't want someone to claim that s6 made modofications, i want some detalied info abut WHAT they costomized. I will be very happy to have an answer from one of the people of the SA-crew.
Best greetings Bidstrup/Denmark
tiba_karotsu
OVERREV TUNING
here is my take on the subject.
RPM is the manufacturer of suspensions.
S6 is a trading company & wants to sell suspension under their name so they outsource these suspension from RPM.
RPM builds a few prototype shocks & forks for testing & evaluation for S6.
S6 tests them using their sponsored teams & tuners, S6 gets feedback from the riders & tuners & sends it back to RPM.
RPM, now with the new information in hand, makes a few changes in the valving or just the thickness of the shims to change the damping characteristics of the suspension.
RPM sends a new set of prototype shocks & forks with the updates to S6, S6 now gives it to their riders & tuners for another round of testing & evaluation.
finally the riders & tuners are satisfied & give the thumbs up to S6, S6 now orders the suspension from RPM using the updates, RPM builds it to their quota & puts the S6 name on the suspension then ships it to S6 in Europe.
for me at least, RPM will not retool their machines to produce their own brand of suspension, they will simply use what they have already to cut costs, this is how the Taiwanese & Chinese work, that is how marketing works.
RPM is the manufacturer of suspensions.
S6 is a trading company & wants to sell suspension under their name so they outsource these suspension from RPM.
RPM builds a few prototype shocks & forks for testing & evaluation for S6.
S6 tests them using their sponsored teams & tuners, S6 gets feedback from the riders & tuners & sends it back to RPM.
RPM, now with the new information in hand, makes a few changes in the valving or just the thickness of the shims to change the damping characteristics of the suspension.
RPM sends a new set of prototype shocks & forks with the updates to S6, S6 now gives it to their riders & tuners for another round of testing & evaluation.
finally the riders & tuners are satisfied & give the thumbs up to S6, S6 now orders the suspension from RPM using the updates, RPM builds it to their quota & puts the S6 name on the suspension then ships it to S6 in Europe.
for me at least, RPM will not retool their machines to produce their own brand of suspension, they will simply use what they have already to cut costs, this is how the Taiwanese & Chinese work, that is how marketing works.
Sonic-speed
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Yes, but thats not my point. RPM put the most knowledge that they have into their springs, so i dont thing they can modify it even more. But i wait for an answer.
That makes way to much sense
I figure your right on the money with that
tiba_karotsu
OVERREV TUNING
hehehe, i should know my friend, i have been dealing with the Taiwanese & Chinese ever since i got started in the scootering biz. some of my friends are Taiwanese importers of motorcycle & scooter stuff from Taiwan & they told me some of their secrets as i get my wares from them.
apriliafan
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lol
who gives a shit?
None of u can tell for sure what are the exact diffrences...
the best way to find out is to confrotate stage6 self,ask for thilo from scooterattack,he ll be able to tell u for sure cuz he was one of the main people who actually took place on that development.
Producing in in asia is one thing,development a totally diffrent thing.
U guys really dont think that most of the parts have been tested and developed by rpm?
rpm only produces them like million other parts/companies who are produced over there cuz of their cheap costs.
The people over there are far away from the european standart,and only because they produce products that dont make them or give them the honor of being the "inventer".
SO dont forget that they are ONLY and ONLY the producers....
Sony cameras are produced in china as well and no1 talks (when ppl talk about quality n stuff) about that they come from china,no all japanese!.
What i m trying to tell is that it makes a huge diffrence who produces the products and who invents/develop them.
Producing these shocks would be possible in any other european country as well,but its just too expensive.
Therefore,(also if rpm produces them) its still an stage6 suspension for me(and i got it).
Its obvious that many things are/will be copied cuz its also somehow limited right?
I dont understand that argue here,especially from u waxhead,if u dont know for sure than stop throwing with ur speculations around here,this wont help any1.As long as u r happy with ur copy,so let it be and dont waste ur time on argueing.
Simply pointless.
AND EVEN it there would be no diffrence(which i doubt) i d still buy an stage 6 susp. cuz than i know where i am at.
Btw,all the positive feedback from italian,german and dutch race drivers dont lie,and within 6 month u ll read a lot more positive feedbacks.
who gives a shit?
None of u can tell for sure what are the exact diffrences...
the best way to find out is to confrotate stage6 self,ask for thilo from scooterattack,he ll be able to tell u for sure cuz he was one of the main people who actually took place on that development.
Producing in in asia is one thing,development a totally diffrent thing.
U guys really dont think that most of the parts have been tested and developed by rpm?
rpm only produces them like million other parts/companies who are produced over there cuz of their cheap costs.
The people over there are far away from the european standart,and only because they produce products that dont make them or give them the honor of being the "inventer".
SO dont forget that they are ONLY and ONLY the producers....
Sony cameras are produced in china as well and no1 talks (when ppl talk about quality n stuff) about that they come from china,no all japanese!.
What i m trying to tell is that it makes a huge diffrence who produces the products and who invents/develop them.
Producing these shocks would be possible in any other european country as well,but its just too expensive.
Therefore,(also if rpm produces them) its still an stage6 suspension for me(and i got it).
Its obvious that many things are/will be copied cuz its also somehow limited right?
I dont understand that argue here,especially from u waxhead,if u dont know for sure than stop throwing with ur speculations around here,this wont help any1.As long as u r happy with ur copy,so let it be and dont waste ur time on argueing.
Simply pointless.
AND EVEN it there would be no diffrence(which i doubt) i d still buy an stage 6 susp. cuz than i know where i am at.
Btw,all the positive feedback from italian,german and dutch race drivers dont lie,and within 6 month u ll read a lot more positive feedbacks.
Mine is a copy of the stage6 made by the same company that makes stage6 parts ???
the reason i am arguring , actually i am finding it quite amusing is that you guys seem to thing that its not the same as the stage6 even though its made in the same factory
Seriously do you know how silly that sounds
Im not speculating about all this
I asked rpm in an email about it and they told me they are the same
Its you guys who are speculating about it being different than the stage6 one
But if having a stage6 badge on the side of your shock means it handles better than the shock i have with rpm on the side then all power to you
I sleep very well at night knowing that it cost me less for the whole set than it did for one rear shock of stage6
